Scootering classics: Breighton Ferry Dyno Day with York Scooter Club, September 2016

York Scooter Club’s return to Breighton was a no brainer for the organisers. After last year’s success and having found a gem of a venue, there was huge demand for a second event to go ahead and they didn’t disappoint!

THE CONTENDERS:

 

Dyno time

With a natural desire for the second event to better the first, all areas of this event were pushed to the max, in order to improve or extend the entertainment further, including a dyne ‘run what ya brung’ event which operated over two days. Starting at noon on Friday and continuing all day Saturday, every available minute was required to cram a total of 46 scooters in for dyno runs to assess bhp, torque and power spread of a wide variety of machines. We eagerly persuaded as many as possible to get involved and were not disappointed with the response. A vast array of scooters were tested and showed the event to be Lambretta dominated with just one Vespa, one auto, four hybrid bike-engine scooters, one Targa-Twin and one hybrid-geared Lambretta/auto conversion among the 46 we tested. A couple of demo scooters were also invited along, as well as a sprint Lambretta, in order to give those bike engines a bit of competition, there was also a newly built development motor which had just been completed. This unit threw up some very pleasing figures.

 

How much power!?

The results table has been grouped into figures showing similar capacity motors/ models together, and provides the following information for components on each machine: cubic capacity (engine size e.g. 225cc, 252cc etc.), kit type (e.g.Monza, TS1, Malossi etc) and exhaust type (e.g. Franspeed Race, Clubman etc.). Also included is, the most important bit, power (bhp) and torque (lb-ft).

 

Level playing field

Forty-six scooters were dyno’d in total and each had three runs to fully warm the motor and clear the jetting, thus allowing the machines to produce their maximum power readings. Each scooter was run from low rpm (on average 3000rpm but lower on some that could do so) and stretched to its maximum rpm, so as to give a full and broad reading of the overall power delivery of each machine. The majority of machines also had tyre pressures checked and set to 30psi, as this affects friction and so gives an even playing field to all tested. The open air environment did provide some barometric changes which no doubt altered readings just slightly over the two days, but these changes are minimal in the bigger scheme of things. Given that this was an open air event, and one instigated for fun rather than serious competition, the test parameters were as good as could be hoped for. Despite the ‘fun’ intentions though, competitive spirits always surface, as do great opportunities to collect and analyse data. This event was no exception.

 

Sharing

Data collection and analysis is a painstaking and time consuming process, but ultimately it is this data which helps customers to choose the right kit/components for themselves, and helps dealers offer the right information to their customers. It also allows tuners like myself and others to further our knowledge and make fact-based, data-driven decisions, in order to improve further. Sharing this hard earned data is not something a lot of tuners do, but each to their own. I hope you enjoy the read, and glean something useful for your own knowledge.

Sticky’s DRZ 400 @ 32bhp vs Peter’s Gas Gas 450 LL 41bhp — both with long/broad spreads of power, picking up from low revs and continuing on nicely to give good top speeds.
Eric’s 246cc T1 Super Monza putting out 44bhp, although this doesn’t come ‘on song’ until 6000rpm. By comparison, Rob’s 238cc Tf Monza is putting out a stonking 38bhp under 8000rpm and is pulling from low revs.
Mugello: In blue the 225 with Clubman putting out 18bhp, in red the 225 with Franspeed Race putting out 21bhp, and in green the 230cc TT with TT Mod TSR Evo putting out 26bhp. The benefit of the clubman is its user-friendly bottom end power. The port timings of the Mugello don’t seem a good match for the Fran Race, a pipe which likes to peak much higher than the Mugello timings will allow. Lastly, the 230 TT Mugello & TSR combo at over 26bhp, and still with reasonable bottom end, especially considering the top-end gains over the Clubman version.

Photographs: Darrell Taylor

 

 

RESULTS TABLE

Machine/NameCC & modelExhaustBhpLb-ft
VESPA
ROB SKIPSEY125 EARLY VESPASTD PIPE3.862.7
LAMBRETTA
ANDREW KAY203 SX STDBGM CLUBMAN10.5612.7
CHRIS BOOTH200 SIL STDAF CLUBMAN12.5712.3
RICH HENDERSON186 GT186BGM CLUBMAN13.212.9
PHIL MORLEY200 MUGELLOBGM CLUBMAN13.8212.6
JOHN BELL186 GT186BGM CLUBMAN15.213.9
SIMON WALKER193 INDIAN 185 (TUNED)BGM CLUBMAN15.315.1
PHIL ‘SLACKER’195 MB/BGM 195BGM CLUBMAN15.3512.5
GRAHAM DUFFIELD245 TS1 (RUNNING FAULT)JL16.514.2
TOM ADAMSON200 STD WITH ST4 TUNEPM2517.0513.3
SYD HOPPER238 AVANTIRM CLUBMAN17.2113.16
JOHN RUSSELL186 GT186TSR EVO17.2914
PATRICK HOULIHAN225 MUGELLOBGM CLUBMAN18.296.2
DAVE MAUDSON244 RAPIDOADS 318.8217.3
KEITH RICHARDSON237 RB22NK RALLY19.4817
ANTHONY LATCHAM225 MUGELLOFRAN RACE20.6516.6
ANDY WALLER225 RB (RUNNING FAULT)FRAN S TOUR20.7513.2
TIM SURTEES225 TS1JL321.1918.8
DAVE STOCKS225 MONZAFRAN S TOUR22.4118.4
JASON CLARKSON230 TS1NK RACE22.9918.8
TANNY230 TS1 MB TUNEFRAN RACE23.120.2
TIM BUTLER230 RB22NK RACE23.520
DAN FAWCETT238 TS1NK RACE24.0820.9
JOHN GRIMES225 TS1ADS24.8920.9
JONATHAN SHEARD205 RC CHISEL TUNEADS24.9421.2
DAN GUEST225 TS1 TAFF TUNETAFFSPEED24.921.6
TOM DICKINSON230/RB22NK RALLY25.920.6
DAVE SUTTON230 TS1FRAN RACE26.520.9
MARK JAMES225 RB22/HI COMPFRAN RACE26.420.7
KEN CHADWICK230 MUGELLO TUNETT MOD TSR EVO26.620
ROB SUNDERLAND238 TS1 T TUNENK RALLY27.120
MARK THOMPSON238 TS1 T TUNEJL327.320.4
TREV BATTY230 TS1 T TUNENK RALLY27.623.4
MICK BEECROFT 195RUNNER CYLINDERHOME MADE TZ27.718.5
DAVE ROBINSON244 RB25NK28.820.6
JULIAN WOOD HOUSE264 RB25 FOXHATMOD TSR EVO29.323.6
MARK BAINBORO230 CASA SS225FRAN RACE29.420.1
ROGER WILKINSON230 TS 1 T TUNETT MOD TSR EVO30.121.7
ROB SHAW (DEMO)238 TT MONZAFRAN SUPER TOUR37.927.1
ERIC COPE (DEMO)246 TT SUPERMONZAPD HORNET44.232.5
TARGA TWIN
MARTIN ROBINSON250 TARGA TWINPORTTI/ROBBOSPEED27.3321.1
ENGINE TRANSPLANTS  
STICKY400 SUZUKI DRZ400E4-STROKE32.325.7
PETER GAVEY450 GAS GAS 4504-STROKE41.426.1
JASE POTTER250 YAMAHA YZ250LCFMF49.632.1
STEVE HOLT350 YAMAHA RD350LCMICRON SMALL CAN50.928
AUTO
MICHAEL HAWLEY172 GILERA RUNNERMALOSSIPM5924.7

 

EDITOR’S SUMMARY

There have been some interesting trends in the results we’ve generated.

The clubman-equipped motors were all well below 20bhp, the highest of the nine on test was a 225 Lambretta running a Mugello cylinder and making 18.29bhp. Despite the limitation in power, the clubman often demonstrates a good ‘user-friendly’ power delivery and favourable riding characteristics. This particular result was on a super clubman being a few BHP up on previous clubmans.

The TS1/RB/Monza type 225 kits in various setups but standard forms sit at around 20 to 23bhp as they arrive off the shelf, and power results vary with carb/pipe combos. Modified/long stroke/tuned 225 kits sat between 23bhp and 30bhp. These are common results on tuned 225cc reed-valve kits, and are typically fast-road setups. The final figure and rpm power-range depends on pipe used and type of tune (porting job).

The tuned RB20 shows it can sit right there with the 225 and bigger motors in both power and torque as is the case these days with many of the available smaller kits especially when teamed up with a longer stroke crank to bolster the torque. These kits offer good value for the cheaper ‘small block’ casing option, and 30bhp is perfectly achievable with a 62mm crank, 34mm card, Race pipe and a small amount of porting.

RB25 kits, when well-built, give reliable ‘off the shelf’ performance typically around 26.28bhp when fitted with the right crank/ carb/pipe combo. Mid 30s bhp figures are achievable, and still with stonking torque. 40bhp figures are becoming more commonplace on race machines when these kits are fully tuned and fitted with top-spec race components.

The new Casa 225 kit, when built well and set up with a 60mm stroke crank and Fran race exhaust did well at 29bhp. That’s probably the highest off the shelf 225 power figure at the moment. The bike engine machine category was split between 2 x two-strokes and 2 x four-strokes, and shows that nearly double the cc is required from a four-stroke to match the two-strokes peak performance figures, but just as is seen in the motocross world, the power width and spread from the bigger four-stroke motors is clearly superior.

The demo bike belonging to Eric shows how close that tuned Lambretta is to the power of a YZ250 motocross engine, and surprisingly showing the highest torque of all machines dyno’d.

Rob’s ‘Demo Monza’ bridges the gap between the highly strung Sprint motor and typical tuned motors but is early days yet in testing. Being a new engine it requires some miles under its belt before that can be established fully. All the dyno graphs and photos will be available On the Scootering and York SC web/Facebook pages, and if the event runs again, put it on your bucket list!

 

 

 

 

 

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